At AMD, exempt employees were expected to meet all of their deadlines. As long as that got done, you were exempt from the rules.
Best Buy or any other institutionalized company isn't going to be the best role model to follow in running a startup.
Once you are compensated with stock options, you are driving how much you and the company make, you are an owner, so act like one. No, the company won't live or die, because of your personal work habit. But, everyone follows everyone's example. The group is small. Everybody knows. Own it, lead it.
The best way to keep a project manager off your back is to demonstrate that you deliver on-time, every time. A project manager isn't going to clock you in or out.
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[FONT=Arial]At most companies, going AWOL during daylight hours would be grounds for a pink slip. Not at Best Buy. The nation's leading electronics retailer has embarked on a radical--if risky--experiment to transform a culture once known for killer hours and herd-riding bosses. The endeavor, called ROWE, for "results-only work environment," seeks to demolish decades-old business dogma that equates physical presence with productivity. The goal at Best Buy is to judge performance on output instead of hours.
Hence workers pulling into the company's amenity-packed headquarters at 2 p.m. aren't considered late. Nor are those pulling out at 2 p.m. seen as leaving early. There are no schedules. No mandatory meetings. No impression-management hustles. Work is no longer a place where you go, but something you do. It's O.K. to take conference calls while you hunt, collaborate from your lakeside cabin, or log on after dinner so you can spend the afternoon with your kid.[/FONT]
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_50/b4013001.htm?campaign_id=nws_insdr_dec1&link_position=link1
What do you think?
I think it's great! I personally get much more done when I can take care of occasional personal things during the day. I'm happier, more productive, less stressed about when I'm going to go to the doctor or the kids are sick and need to be home while I'm working. Flexible is the way to go. Not every employee can handle it. You have to hire self starters.
Best Buy has to keep a close eye on who can handle it and who really gets results from their work because they're not a small business.
One of my employees owns an alpaca farm and works from home. She needs to go out and feed them and shovel. But, she works hard, almost too hard, on our projects. I don't care when she's sitting at her desk and I don't worry about what she's doing because she is overachieving. Another employee has kids, like me, and works from her home while they're at school. She also e-mails me things at 11:00 at night, when she's working hard on some of her work. That schedule works for her and she is also overachieving.
Of course, I work really hard and am a good example, as Dave mentioned, but I actually don't expect my employees to work as hard as I do.
Lisa
I've read that the guy that runs the MySQL company doesn't hire young, unmarried people, because they focus on work. Working long hours can become the cultural norm without an effort to push back against that.
Mixing exempts and hourly employees in the same physical space confuses expectations. Mixing different functional units can do the same thing. Customer service is day in and day out job. Development, Documentation and QA deal with heavily asymetrical workloads when they try to do it all after the code freeze.
Mixing people who can and who can't work those hours causes problems. Know what you want up front. Sort them out. Move them around.
Comments about someone being AWOL have agendas larger than just being AWOL.
I go AWOL when I go to the bookstore to find some technical answer, or when I am upset about work. I'm always working anyway. If I were a consultant, I'd bill for everything except the two hours on both sides of being asleep, lunch, and tango time. I work 60+ hours a week, so what is AWOL when you work that much?
Its a great idea perople who are balancing work and life. some personalities they do not want spent much time on personal life, these kinds of persons can never accept this kind of work methodology, firstly they will give preference to work later on life.
I've read that the guy that runs the MySQL company doesn't hire young, unmarried people, because they focus on work. Working long hours can become the cultural norm without an effort to push back against that.
Mixing exempts and hourly employees in the same physical space confuses expectations. Mixing different functional units can do the same thing. Customer service is day in and day out job. Development, Documentation and QA deal with heavily asymetrical workloads when they try to do it all after the code freeze.
Mixing people who can and who can't work those hours causes problems. Know what you want up front. Sort them out. Move them around.
Comments about someone being AWOL have agendas larger than just being AWOL.
I go AWOL when I go to the bookstore to find some technical answer, or when I am upset about work. I'm always working anyway. If I were a consultant, I'd bill for everything except the two hours on both sides of being asleep, lunch, and tango time. I work 60+ hours a week, so what is AWOL when you work that much?
That's OK. If they want work-life balance, an entreprenurial situation is the wrong place to look for it. If they ran their own business, they wouldn't get work-life balance either. So they shouldn't apply at startups. They should work in institutionalized companies. Once you are paid in stock options with real consequences to your normal salary, then you are an OWNER, so act like one. This is your business buddy. If you don't want to be an OWNER, leave. No loss.
If there are no real consequences to your salary, as in you didn't tradeoff stock for salary, or maybe you are too far away from the decisions in a vast institutionalized company that uses your stock options to hide executive largess, then ok, you're an employee, and then you can act like one, provided you are not exempt.
The upside of startups is not free. The last quarter of million required you to do what? Be an employee, do the 8-5 job? You are kidding right? And, that insitutionalized 8-5 job is no more a gurantee of work-life balance than working in a startup. If you want work-life balance, learn to sell, sell what you need to life the way you want to live, and skip the being in your seat at 8 am thing. Sell, so you are in control of your schedule.
Why should I give stock options to people who will not take on the responsibilities of ownership, who won't own problems, and who think that they should punch a clock. Exempt means something even in institutional companies. You either get the work done, or you should be hourly.
So, yes, don't think you can run a nice company and then issue stock options later to become entreprenurial. This is how the situation arose in the first place, setting the wrong expectations initially. Or, its just a going public as exit exercise, which is not a good thing either, if it isn't your exit.
If you want work-life balance, the project managers have to set realistic deadlines that allow such a thing. If they don't, the work still has to get done, and it reinforces the lack of realistic deadlines. I've yet to meet such project managers. And, in non-project, operations situtations, particularly in IT, you are on call regardless, and you ARE called unless your company institutes the dreaded ITIL process improvement, then maybe you'll have work-life balance.
Work-lige balance is to be achieved during the layoffs while you are on unemplyment, because the entire industry you spent your life in isn't hiring. You have all the work-life balance you want. You'll choke on it. Or, maybe you'll find it in that non-compete you signed.
I believe that work-life balance is very doable in today's startup world. It's what makes startups more appealing. At least the employees that I work with are excited about working in a growing company that can give them the freedom to do their other things.
I do not meet other company owners that have this type of flexibility. Most of the small startup businesses that I work with have restricted time off and requirements for hours.
It is possible to be flexible in a startup and appreciate that people have lives. Sometimes we work longer, harder hours. Other times, we have things to get done. If the people involved are in the game for success as a group and there are clear expectations then the flexibility is just a side benefit for the lower pay and other things involved in a non-funded startup.
Working on an institutional level with established companies does not guarantee flexibility, particularly if the company does any government contract work. Even if the employees do not work on the government contract, there are strict time accounting rules at large companies like Boeing, where everyone has to follow the contract rules. Microsoft has been able to give flexibility but their project scopes do not truly allow for work-life balance.
I remember one time when my husband interviewed at Microsoft and they had the family come to lunch after the interview and these people were sitting around the table. It was Thursday and they said that they had already clocked 80 hours for the week and were going to work through the weekend. That is the perfect environment for someone who wants to work their life away.
Lisa
I'm not sure if this works well for many smaller organizations. It's very difficult to set boundaries and there are few roles that don't require customer or co-worker communication during the day. Not to mention the phone and network systems can be a challenge. We're in a "hurry up and get the answer now" society. Makes it hard to wait until 11 pm to answer an important e-mail - you may have missed the deal by then.
That said, we realize people are going to spend an hour or so each day doing something personal, which seems reasonable.
Back before the "internet" and email became the main modes of business communication I worked for a high tech company. Very little company time was spent on "non work" tasks by anyone. We even talked business on our lunch hours because we really enjoyed what we did. I didn't seem to find it a problem at all doing a personal errand on my lunch hour or asking for the occasional half day off. I didn't need a total "flex" schedule to be happy and none of my co-workers needed this either. Of course we also managed to get our jobs done within the 40-45 hour work week and rarely had to work late unless there was some emergency.
Today, according to recent surveys, employees seem to be saying they are unhappy with their work more than ever. Maybe it's not all the fault of the employers - but a shift in society that needs to be addressed.
If you sell to an international market perhaps it makes more sense to have totally flexible schedules. If you sell primarily to the US and Canada market, customers seem to expect you to be available during "regular" business hours for nearly all questions. At least in our experience.
Unfortunately, as a mother I have found that most companies are not as flexible as you are. When I worked for other companies the other employees would often "whine" about me being out to care for a sick child or otherwise. I make sure that all of our employees are able to take care of their personal lives and give them full access to all business functions, including network, phones, Salesforce.com, Webex, etc. Very little work really needs to be accomplished in an office these days. Moms can be moms and take care of their kids in our environment. The nice thing for us is that our clients are in the care business and so they love how we operate. We always make sure someone can cover the phones, it's not all willy nilly and we have a four hour guaranteed support call return time. Those people can cover for each other.
It's very easy with today's technology to allow full flexibility. It's also much easier to manage by outcomes and not have to track hours taken off, sick time, vacation time, etc. We are a very small company and we are known for our customer response time. I answer clients on the weekend and evenings because I'm flexible to meet their needs.
Lisa Moody
JewelCode Corporation
Kelly,
Who in a software startup selling packaged software has customer contact? Certainly, not developers. A smaller software company has fewer of everybody, and still the developers don't talk to customers. Everybody works the eighty or more hours a week. No manager makes them do it. Peer pressure does.
Or everybody works eight to five, and still peer pressure is the enforcer.
Attendance or policy compliance is not the job. The job is getting things done. This too is a peer expectation.
In twenty plus years on my jobs in software and IT organizations, I've never seen a customer--not a single one. When I pulled my last batch of all-nighters, and I emailed a question to the programming lead. I was surprised, because he answered in less than three minutes. Nobody made us do that. We did that because of our expectations of ourselves. Never missing a ship date was a point of pride.
I like my work, when I can do my work. I don't like my work when I'm directed, particularly directed as to process. Those processes are mine. The direction doesn't make me more productive.
The problem is that as we moved into the knowledge worker age management didn't change. They still think that eight hours in a chair equates to eight hours of production. It doesn't. They sitll think that the other eight hours, our non-sleeping, off premise time doesn't equate to production either, and there too they are are wrong. A flash of insight, the answer, the understanding, the value creation knows no clock. The clock, the work day, the work week, the holidays, the timecard, the payday, and the overbearing manager are imposed on a continuous process. Even the myth of customer contact is managerially imposed.
If you are hiring knowledge workers who can't get the work done, no amount of managerial imposition is going to work. Fire. And, learn how to hire better. Or, hire someone to hire for you.
Today, nobody hires exempts that didn't graduate from college. But, then, they turn around and expect them to be brain dead. When they fight back, they just end up being next in line for the layoff. Congrats.
Just what has this issue degenerated into? Get a grip and check out the premise located in the original post. If there have been bitter experiences with previous employers I am sorry for that; but your anecdotal and obviously negative experience does NOT mean that with your broad brush, all employers are all bad.
Legitimately Exempt (from the provisions of the FLSA) employees are paid to do a job - not be paid for the hours they toil. Working long or short hours goes with the turf, personal maturity, and the whole trust/respect theme. That you have not experienced the richness of working for a competent employer - too bad. They ARE there.
Dr. Hank
Yes, I thought the question was "What do you think?" not "Is it the only way to go or the right way to go?" There are pros and cons to almost any type of management.
Our software business speaks directly on the phone and via e-mail to our customers and prospective customers all day long - it's how we sell our product direct to businesses, government organizations and educational institutions - the vast majority who work within an 8 am - 6 pm time frame.
Our staff (and they may be unique) seem to enjoy "regular" hours as they can plan their lives I guess in a more predictable way. I suppose some could work at home but when we've asked most they say they feel they would be bored at home alone. I know I would be as well. Maybe we're old fashioned!
Bottom line is that we always ask what's important to employees before hiring and aside from a slightly more flexible start time to their day, so far they don't seem interested in working at home alone.
It's been 15 years for us -who knows what might happen in another few years...
It's just a different hiring process. One of my employees own an alpaca ranch and she likes the flexibility required to care for her animals throughout the day. Another one has kids with varying school schedules and loves to be able to go volunteer at their school and be home when the half days are on for conferences.
I've worked at home for 10 years now. I get so much more done. My husband works for Boeing and they encourage his department to work from home. He loves it and he is more productive because he doesn't like office interruptions. Neither of us are bored because we have a lot of work to do and the day goes by very fast.
There are people that cannot work from home and would find it boring or who get distracted by the house work. I just hire for those who want to work from home and I find there are lots and lots (especially stay at home parents with kids in school) when I put that in my hiring ad.
I read an article recently about a consulting company with 170 employees and they don't have an office at all. It was very interesting and amazing how today's world allows them to do that.
We're a software company and all of our employees are on the phone throughout the day with clients on an International level. I will share that with my Blackberry and laptop, I can sit on the beach and support my clients (and I've done that) and they don't even have to know, they get the same support as if I were in the office.
I see it more as being able to get the work done from anywhere and I know that I personally log many more hours than a standard office employee, because my work is in my home office and I can go in there and get things done whenever I want to. I also believe that my employees work harder than those I've known in my time in an office. I've done both and this works great for us. I'm happy for you that your scheduled method works for you. There are plenty of people that can work for us based on what management style and structure they need.
In our neighborhood, I know 10 other people working from their homes and there are only 50 houses right now. It's definitely the future.
Lisa
I do agree that the work at home method can work great for many types of jobs and it sounds like in Lisa's case it is perfect.
Thinking about it in more depth...If we all worked at home the commercial real estate market would really change. A big reduction in office space requirements would mean more empty buildings (or conversions to condos at least).
Not to mention things like commercial insurance and other industries taking an impact. Just an off the cuff example, if you office at home and another employee comes over for a business meeting and the other employee happens to injure themselves in your home office is it your insurance that covers it or the business insurance? Most homeowner's policies currently may not cover it. Are their "telecommuting" insurance policies? What kind of desk and chair are you sitting on during work and is the employer responsible for back and wrist strains so commonly seen in workers comp claims if they don't have control over your office set up?
I wonder though about some of the other challenges - like how do you share resources such as books, higher end equipment and such? Does everyone have to have their own? Even the old hardware fax machine is still relied on by so many offices due to requirements like signatures or difficulty scanning certain docs- not to mention does everyone have their own scanner?
If you don't have office space how do you train a new group? Online training doesn't give you the physical presence required to know that someone is truly "getting it."
So, the ability to work at home, especially for the small organization seems to hinge on many factors moving forward. Legal liability issues are certain to arise and need resolution and technology and practicality issues are also to be resolved.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
I am wondering what IT/comms setup other people working from home use? I suddenly and reluctantly found myself running IT for a small, but international consulting company. Everyone works from home, in Australia and NZ and roams South East Asia. We have a server on the Internet for our database and our main application is client/server. We use Skype to talk and the top people make more airplane trips than bus trips. Most employees are mums working part-time, but even full-time people work strange (nocturnal) hours.
I use remote control software to help people with the application, but we don't have a peer-to-peer screen-sharing capabiliity.
One of us tried to use Web videocamera, but that was too slow.
How do you manage to keep home-based team together. What IT gadgets do you use/recommend?
Sergei
Are you paying for cable modems or DSL? Beyond that is a VPN, which requires a more expensive connection. Then, comes the security token, but I don't remember the vendor's name.
One former employer went so far as having a ground station built.
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