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We believe in our organization there is an urgent need to transition from an Engineering mindset to a Sales mindset. The top executive team is all from an engineering background and with time and experience has business saviness but I feel the Sales mindset (maybe sales aggression) is missing. Also, the largest constituent of the company is R&D.

In the past we have got various kinds of VP of Sales reporting to the President/CEO or COO (both from engineering background and mindset) and it hasn't worked.

The current thinking is to bring someone with pure sales background and experience thru and thru, at the helm. Thinking was to make the current President/CEO just the CEO, have this new person from outside as the President/COO with Sales directly under him/her and the rest of senior execs reporting to him/her. And the current COO (luckily me), find another life.

Look forward to some insights, experiences, pitfalls, etc.

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July 4, 2006 2:02 PM

You want ALL the other executives to report to the COO? That's normal. And, yes, the CEO and COO are usually going to be sales people. They will kill your company, because they won't invest in the future. During the dot bust, sales couldn't sell, so most companies laid everyone off, except the people that were not doing their job, sales.

Operations really isn't sales. And, the COO, nor the CEO should be sales guys. They have to do the job in a hoelistic manner, or the company will suffer. You might make more short-term revenues, but at the cost of the future. A stock option is only worth something when you sell it. You can't sell it today.

You need marketing if you are going to be looking to the future. People don't buy a stock based on last quarter's revenue. They buy it with the anticipation of getting a part of the future income stream. So don't go whole hog into sales.

Further, when you change your culture, you will lose most of your engineers. The culture change that you suggest will kill your company unless it is undertaken gradually.

If our sales people aren't working out. Get new ones. Churn in sales is OK. Then, hire non-tech sales people. But, mostly its going to be the compensation plan and the current sales managers that are the problem. If you double the quota on your sales managers, and then fire them when they don't make it, you will get what you want eventually just by revamping sales rather than the whole company.

When you start this you will also need Sales engineers to do the technical part of the sale. The sales reps and the sales engineers will have to work out how they help each other make the sale.

You can also get technical support involved in the sale. And, you can get your other engineers, training, and doc people to start listening to feedback from the customers. Put product managers between engineering and the customer. Those product managers should be marketers and not engineers.

The other thing is that once you have a customer base, the engineers don't get to just implement their conceptualization. If your organization is full of those kinds of engineers, you will have to hire new ones that can listen. You might not want to forget the wild hair innovators of new technology, but they need to be doing that, rather than products. Deciding who can do the innovating and who can do the maintenance will still drive the engineers away, but fewer.

I've worked in one of those sale centric organizations. They failed utterly, particularly when the going got rough and the alphas got moving. The head of sales kept the company from developing a competent marketing capability, so he could be the hero, the savior. No thanks.

All of this is related to what you are selling and where what you are selling is on the technology adoption lifecycle.

Another thing that will help is to take some of your best developers and lateral them into sales. Put them through the training class. Try to make sales reps out of them. And, when they can't make a living, send them back to development. They'll go back saying "Hey, our stuff doesn't sell itself." And, they will make the case that the change in focus to sales is a good thing. Don't worry, they won't be able to sell, so they will go back to the code.

July 5, 2006 4:48 PM

I think it's great that you recognize the need to have a sales angle to your business. Many engineering management teams don't think about this until it is too late. What you need though is not just someone that is savvy in sales but also savvy in marketing. I don't know that they need to be the President/COO, but they need to be a manager that is qualified and is given the latitude to do what needs to be done with marketing and sales.

Where you can run into trouble is if you hire someone that is all sales and doesn't grasp the development side. You need an all around person that understands that sales people will say that they can't sell a product without X,Y,Z features and that person is able to determine if those features are the problem, or the sales reps are making excuses. When you get someone all sales and they go along with that you will alienate the developers, which is what I think Dave is trying to say.

Lisa Moody
JewelCode Corporation

July 10, 2006 4:39 AM

Thanks David and Lisa for your valuable insights.

Ideally, I agree that an organization must have a balance of various functions and the heads (CEO/COO) should take a holistic view.

Let me see if I can try to be more specific with where my head is and hope to get more/other ideas.

We are divided into 2 Business Units (BUs). Each BU has a BU head whose primary responsibility is Sales & Marketing for their BU. At the corporate level we have a CEO, COO, VP of R&D and part-time CFO. The VP of R&D is responsible for R&D across of all Bus. The CEO, COO, all 2 BU heads and obviously the VP of R&D are all "engineers" who have grown into their roles.

1. BU1. The BU head is responsible for Sales, Marketing and Support and has separate teams for each of those functions. Sales have been flat for 2 years and dropping this year even though growth was expected due to introduction of an enterprise class (higher ASP) and other add-on/vertical products (cross-sell). The product(s) are in late majority phase as per the Â?Crossing the ChasmÂ? model. Sales is via an indirect channel and hence we have less control on the progress and closure of a sale. Also, the channels focus is to sell their Â?coreÂ? products Â? ours is sold as add-ons due to customer request or offered as Â?optionalÂ? Â? more because channel looks at it as part of account control. The growth expectations were tied not to any basic Â?demand creationÂ? but servicing the channels demand with more offerings for their customers - increase the pipeline from the channel for our products. The expectation was that all under one manager would help with teamwork between Marketing/Sales/Support towards the goal of steady sales growth. One solution for this BU, irrespective of the larger picture, is to separate Sales under a Sales Manager who comes from Â?SalesÂ? Â? worry is that it will just result in a finger pointing game between marketing->sales->support (support is involved in sales during the eval phase).

2. BU2. The head is responsible for Sales and Marketing but there arenÂ?t separate teams. What is being offered is Â?engineering servicesÂ? in a niche area. Demand creation again is not a big need, itÂ?s more Â?identifying & servicing the demandÂ?. Sales is direct (no channel). Breakthru sales goals (1.5-2x) is possible but current growth is 20-25%. Also, the growth is mostly from the same Â?oldÂ? customers who are small so larger growth is hard to expect, i.e., new pipeline and new customers not building fast enough.

So at least my view is that the problem is a sales problem (and marketing need is really more Sales support to identify and service the demand better Â? not fundamental things like demand creation, branding or even a lot of product management).

Our past attempts at bringing VP of Sales and having them report to BU heads or CEO/COO have all faltered. Some of it could have been the wrong people but some I have to believe got too constrained with the Â?engineeringÂ? mindset and didnÂ?t get the space needed to build a Â?salesÂ? organization and deliver revenue results.

Hence the thinking - bring in a COO who is a sales guy. Have the current sales and marketing organization report directly to him/her (again assumption is that marketing for the foreseeable future is more about supporting sales), have the BU heads be responsible for delivery and also report to the COO.

I am hoping there are other ways too Â?.. I might have got myself wrapped around this one path and missing out Â?..

Thanks in advance.

July 10, 2006 10:07 AM

So you have a custom application division, and a vertical division? The cultures in each of these divisions are very different. They serve different markets with totally different needs. In Moore's books, he talks about killing off business units when you change markets. That means that to do what you are attempting to do really means having two companies where the executive plays the holding company function.

The culture differences are even more significant when you consider what Christenson talks about in his "Inventor's Dilemma" books. The problem is that the metrics each of these business units operate on are very different. So a stronger central marketing person is the wrong answer for you. What you need to do is build strong marketing and strong sales organizations in both business units. Notice I broke out marketing and sales. And, I did so in both business units. The head of each business unit should be qualified as an operations officer like a COO and/or CEO.

The vertical business unit presents another set of problems as well. Are all the verticals in the same sector? And, given that they shouldn't be in the same industry, there will be cultural differences across sectors and across verticals. This isn't easy. Within sectors the buy shouldn't be that different, but if you sell to for-profit, non-profit, and govermental sectors expect wide differences. These differences can't be managed by the same management, nor sold by the same sales reps. So partition them into separate divisions.

Another problem is that of central services. Central services should be minimal, because they will insist on their own culture, and that will conflict with the other cultures. Don't believe for a moment that corporation has a single culture, particularly holding companies.

Next, you need to address why your custom application division apparently is under performing. You need to organize this division to sell what it sells, consulting services. So look to the big consulting services for an appropriate structure. They usually have practice managers that own a particular methodology vector. They will also have sector and vertical industry managers. A consulting gig is managed via the matrix of these two types of managers: the practice manager, and the vertical manager. Consider the practice manager to own the infrastructure and its development. Every consulting gig should increment the methodology vector. Then, the vertical manager maximizes the PROFIT from their vertical. You have to gate your market cap in terms of customers and dollars to ensure that a vertical is "worth it." Don't do a gig for cash. Do a gig, because it pushes the adoption of your underlying technology. Do a gig to get products built.

Once the technology is productized during a custom gig, you will use the two years, or whatever the exclusive is to get ready to enter the vertical. This is the problem for the vertical management. You may want a launch capability in the vertical division, but again be careful of central service culture wherever they happen.

Don't buy into the myth of a single monolithic corporate culture.

Beyond that if the division sales management isn't selling, fix it! Hire, Fire, change the compensation plan, whatever. Fixing the cultures will take time. Fix the sales situation today. There is no excuse.

And, no the custom app division isn't an engineering component. The enginerring component is R&D and should be creating the technologies that the practice manager pushes into the real world. The custom app programmers and the R&D programmers cannot be the same programmers, because the skills are very different! The latter will tend to be IT types. A programmer is a programer is a programmer, NOT! Culture problems again.

R&D can work for the owning executive. But, their customer is the practice manager, not themselves. R&D will need to be market driven through a product manager from marketing, not a technical product manager. That product manager will probably have to move from division to division with the product. The market transitions means that there would have to be organizational handoffs from one market to the next.

It gets messy. But, you should always have a new technology in the pipeline, so that when you have sold half your market cap, you are ready with a new technology. Selling half your market cap is where most companies miss their target after going public and end up getting punished by the financial markets. That would be the moment when you move from early mainstream to late mainstream markets in the technology adoption lifecycle.

Or, do what the book says and focus only on one market at a time, rather than trying to keep the earlier organizations in place. You do need 8 verticals, so custom app and vertical orgs would have to exist simultanteously unless you sold those custom app gigs closer together like one every six months or better. Then, once you had eight, layoff those folks. They won't be that much help in the vertical. And, no again custom app programmers and vertical app programmers are different programmers.

July 10, 2006 10:14 AM

Keep in mind also that the cost structures of these various business units will be very different as well. What is ROI will differ in each, because costs will go up as you move to the next serial market in the TALC, which will drive up price, which will change the sale. You will move from selling one person, to selling the economic buyer, to selling the users (follow on sales), to selling the committee, and as you sell the committee, someone will talk selling the CxO. But, if the product isn't a CxO sale, then you shouldn't sell the CxO, and if that much signature authority is required, maybe you should lower your price, and trim your organizational cost structure as well.

Don't take every dollar. Nurture your third-party development and service complementors. They will make the pie bigger and increase the managerial focus on issues you can't be worrying about. More people involved also widen's the message. It all adds up to a much larger emerent market, than trying to do it all yourself.

Hire a product manager for each vertical product.

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