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Hello All,

(Apologies if this is a little long. I wanted to get enough background info in for the question. I hope you don't fall asleep before you get to it!)

After significant development, our company has arrived at the point where we're ready to start selling our product. During the course of the last few months, I've had a number of conversations with acquaintances at various companies to try and clarify who our most viable target prospects are. These acquaintances range from CxOs, to Sales Managers & Associates, to Technologists, to Business Managers. I figured that mixing up the audience would allow for different perspectives. However, while everyone had strong reviews, they all had completely different answers, for us. So, I figured I'd post the question, here, and see what we can come up with.

Some background information: To simply describe our product, it is Yahoo or Google for the business, with the difference being that Yahoo and Google target individual consumers with specific services to meet their needs, while we target commercial and government enterprises, with specific services to meet their needs.

Yahoo and Google provide:
1) A simple to use Service-based platform, where Services are not integrated to each other (Finance, Maps, Horoscopes, Yellow Pages, etc.)
2) Services that are targeted for the single consumer public market (one individual logs on to find directions on a map or find his or her daily horoscope, etc.).
3) A powerful search feature that goes across published public data (within some of the services, across static web sites, in news groups, etc.)

THE GAP/OPPORTUNITY: Yahoo and Google do not offer "operational or business services" that commercial enterprises rely on to run their businesses (Incident Management, Problem Management, Product Management, Service Management, etc.). Nor do they seem to intend to, as the money they make for their current target market is huge and I'm sure keeps them happy for now.

Our Platform (called "KnowIT") leverages the successful features, frameworks, and paradigms of Yahoo and Google but addresses this gap/opportunity, directly, through our own value-adds...
1) Like the two of them, we offer a simple to use Service-based platform. Unlike both of them, our Services are A) "Operational or business services" that are necessary to run commercial and government enterprises and B) Fully integrated with each other to meet their business requirements.
2) Where they primarily target public individuals as users and gain their revenue from advertising, we target commercial and government enterprises that need the types of operational services, described above.
3) Like them, we also offer powerful search. Where their search crawlers target publicly published data (typically static) and their index returns very vague categorizations as part of their search results, our platform targets live private operational data that's pre-categorized on creation and/or edit and, therefore, yields very exact and highly categorized search results.
4) One other difference is that, where most of their services are static and crawled based on post data deployment frequencies, all of our services are "transactional", allowing users to enter, edit, view, search on, report on, etc. live and whole data in the system. Since data is transactional, this means is that as soon as someone hits "Submit" to update a database, all changes are immediately available through the search features.

So now, you have a version of Yahoo or Google that you're specifically selling for commercial and government enterprises. You also want to offer it in a SaaS form... Do you market it to technology staff and technology leaders as a way for them to ramp up all of the services they provide to their businesses, at a very affordable cost, or do you market it to business staff and business leaders as a way for them to get services from our firm that allow them to free up their IT staff, funds, and effort to redirect to their revenue streams and/or their bottom line? And, why?

Thanks for any and all help. I appreciate the assistance.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

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April 19, 2006 2:03 AM

Do you market it to technology staff and technology leaders as a way for them to ramp up all of the services they provide to their businesses, at a very affordable cost, or do you market it to business staff and business leaders as a way for them to get services from our firm that allow them to free up their IT staff, funds, and effort to redirect to their revenue streams and/or their bottom line? And, why?

If you have lists of these groups I'd vote for some market research.
Joe Hendricks

April 19, 2006 10:57 AM

I posted a similar question elsewhere. Who is the end-user?

I'm not sure I'm clear after reading your post Frank. Please be specific.

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Robert Dubicki

April 19, 2006 12:27 PM

Sorry Frank, I'm not sure what you're doing is exactly clear. I don't know enough of course, but it seems that the Google/Yahoo analogy might be a bit of a stretch, and adding to the confusing.

What does seem clear is that you are "gluing together" a number of different business applications, which may appeal to different business users (the end users--which Robert is asking about).

So your problem as I see it is that you'd like to find one "target" to focus on--but that probably doesn't exist--from what I can tell.

In this case I understand the tendency is to possibly focus on the IT department as a proxy for all the potential users. But this is dangerous, because they may not care about any of the apps. IT departments care about two things: "Plumbing" or IT infrastructure (networking, security, etc.), and SPECIFIC applications or FUNCTIONS that their business users are beating them up to provide. My guess is that marketing a big bag of business apps, non-specific to their their business probably won't draw too much interest.

From what I can tell, you will probably need to break down your functionality into distinct product "buckets", and market those to the specific end users of those functions.

Phil Morettini
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April 19, 2006 12:30 PM

I posted a similar question elsewhere. Who is the end-user?


Hello Robert,

Thanks for the reply.

There are two potential End Users, and this is part of what's driving the question, as we're trying to figure out where to best focus our energy. The end users are the IT Staff, themselves, and the business end users that IT provisions services/solutions for, as well.

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Our platform offers a number of integrated operations and technology Services. The premise being a buy-one-get-many pitch. The embedded solutions cover two spaces:

1) Services that IT usually deploys for themselves to use, such as Asset Management solutions. These types of Services tend to be considered IT enablers, as they typically exist to make IT more efficient.

2) Services that IT deploys for their internal business units (as well as themselves) such as Project Management solutions. These types of Services tend to be considered Business Enablers, because you don't have to be technical to leverage them, yet, you still leverage them regardless of your vertical business.

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Given that we have both types of Services (IT Enablers vs. Business Enablers) and the opportunity to go directly after IT and/or their Businesses, there are a couple of perspectives to take when targeting prospects.

A) Go directly after IT staff and Leaders, taking the position that you're giving them IT-in-a-box to help make them more productive. Many services, all in one place, pre-integrated, many features, infrastructure reductions, time savings, etc. They can also ramp up the services "they" offer to their business units/clients (through our platform).

OR

B) Go to Business staff and Leaders, taking the approach that you're offering them IT-in-a-box, allowing them to free up their IT staff that are working on generic operational problems (not directly related to their core business) to work on more revenue focused problems (directly related to their business). At the same time they'll get more services, at a lower cost, than they would get from their own IT staff, who are not specialists in IT Operations.

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So the question is that if you're offering such Services (IT-In-A-Box) do you believe you can generate more productive interest in group "A" or group "B", and why? Or, would you not try and distinguish between either of them and go after both, and why?

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I hope this helps clear it up. If not, let me know and I'll address.

Thanks again for taking the time to answer.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 19, 2006 12:45 PM

Who is the end-user is the most important thing to resolve ASAP in marketing the product. The answer cannot be vague. I feel you are still a vague at this point with your A & B scenarios. Your benefits are at the 30,000 foot level, and purchasing decisions are usually made on on "bread-and-butter" type of benefits.

Let me put it to you this way: If there were one-person within a company who you would call on ... and ... you can do a 30-second elevator-pitch to ... and they would get "it" immediately ... who would that be? Title/role?

You can't just say the "IT guy". You need to be specific. The CIO? The guy who handles networks and infrastructure? Who? Because you will have to tailor your pitch so that it fits withing this person's view of reality (solves an obvious business problem or pain of their's).

With "A", I feel you've got a solution looking for a problem. With "B", less so, but I feel you need to be clear specifically as to: The business problem you are solving and for who specifically. It can't just be the IT staff in general... in a big corp. there are tons of IT staff ... whose life are you aiming to improve specifically? Why would they want to buy it? Can they do an ROI around your product (which is what drives a lot of IT-specific expenses these days). With B ... you need to flush it out more ... target your benefits to an end-user/decision-maker in an organization. The concept of "IT in a box" does not sit well with me. Other than the star-gazers who twiddle their thumbs with nothing better to do, who specifically inthe IT organization is going to perk up to your story. IT has to link technology back to a business problem.

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Robert Dubicki

April 19, 2006 2:28 PM

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the quick response.

I feel you are still a vague at this point with your A & B scenarios. Your benefits are at the 30,000 foot level, and purchasing decisions are usually made on on "bread-and-butter" type of benefits.


I feel so, too. That's why I'm trying to nail it down. In speaking with so many different stakeholders in different companies, I'm consistently getting great feedback but I'm always getting different ideas about who to target with the product.

Let me put it to you this way: If there were one-person within a company who you would call on ... and ... you can do a 30-second elevator-pitch to ... and they would get "it" immediately ... who would that be? Title/role?


My preference is the CxO, specifically the CIO, CTO, or COO. All three get the problem immediately and they're at a high enough level that they understand the bigger picture implication and value proposition.

The Elevator Pitch is (And, "yes," I am testing this on you!):

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If you're a growing enterprise, you will definitively have IT staff working to provision solutions that have nothing to do with your core business but that your general staff will rely on to get your work done. These solutions are called "IT Operations" solutions and are generic to all companies, regardless of your core or proprietary business. (Ex: Project Management, Incident Management, Change Management, Portals, Intranets, etc. have nothing to do with building ships, trains, plains, automobiles, etc. but are all enablers for such commercial industry.)

This means a portion of your IT staff, who are not experts in these areas, will be using your valuable time, money, infrastructure and energy to reinvent the wheels that other companies are all working on or have already solved for, successfully. This portion of your IT staff are working to solve problems that have nothing to do with your core business.

Because they are not experts, your IT staff will expend a very large quantity of funds, time, and energy to roll out incomplete, incompatible, and limited solutions that will never lead you to a "whole product solution", where everything is cleanly integrated together and functioning, seamlessly.

You will also spend a fortune, over the length of your enterprise's existence, to maintain, upgrade, and integrate these solutions. This means your enterprise is redirecting a significant amount of resources that could, otherwise, contribute directly to your bottom line. The larger you grow, the larger this diversion and cost becomes.

Since these Operations solutions are "generic" to all companies, but not specific to your core business, you can simply leverage what others have done and gain economies of scale by purchasing such solutions from a company that is an expert in these areas and can offer them at a far smaller cost.

The Yahoo and Google Service platforms are perfect for housing and offering such solutions but are focused on the individual public consumer, therefore lacking the type of services that are required, specifically, by commercial enterprises trying to make a profit and manage itself.

Our company, TraverseIT, LLC, has solved this problem by creating a platform called "KnowIT", that uses the same frameworks as Yahoo and Google but which offers useful business-related services that directly impact and enable your business.

With one platform that allows you access through a simple web interface, you can now enable your entire enterprise with a whole product solution that would otherwise take you decades to deploy, yourself, and take millions to buy, build, integrate, and manage, over time. And to top it off, you can do it for a very small fraction of the cost and time, with virtually no dedicated resources.

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It looks much longer in writing than it sounds when we present it, verbally, but I will admit that it's over 30 seconds (but under 120!)...

Feel free to beat up on it.

Thanks again for the assistance.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 19, 2006 5:06 PM

Frank, to paraphase all you said, does it not simply boil down to this?[indent]Our company, TransverseIT, has solved a key business problem by creating a platform called "KnowIT" which offers useful business-related services that enables organizations to better manage IT operations by (explain how ...).
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The more you say, the less people hear. The Yahoo and Google analogy loses me. Keep it short. I like the way Harry Beckwith describes his approach in his book: Selling the Invisible.[indent]Who: Who are you?
What: What business are you in?
For whow: What people do you serve?
Against whom: With whom are you competing?
What's different? What makes you different from those competitors?
So: What's the benefit?
[/indent]With IT products, I would also add HOW to the equation and perhaps skip on the who are you competing with angle.
If you can tailor your message to the CIO so it is short and sweet as above, I think you will be a step further.

You've answered my orginal question ... you sell to the IT Department, who are the only ones who care about "IT Operations" and IT staff. I can't see a CFO or Marketing VP getting excited about the above pitch with the term "IT operations" and IT staff in it. I would also strive to come-up with a tailored-pitch to the person right under the CIO who would be overseeing IT Ops.

Anyways, based on what you are saying, I now see that it is IT who you sell to. Lead with a "business" value proposition (saving the Manager of IT Operations time and money) and expect to be evaluated based on technical factors. That's my take on it.

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Robert Dubicki

April 19, 2006 8:27 PM

It's an interesting idea Frank. I'm familiar with the operations at a Fortune 50 US Company and the IT people actually don't make the rollout decisions, the business people work with the IT people to define requirements. In this Company, they have instituted a very strenuous process by which all new tools must meet the ITIL standards for implementation and everything is regularly audited. I know about this because I know one of the auditors. If there is already a tool in place or a set of tools then the new tool doesn't get implemented. The documentation process to add any new software tool is extensive.

Have you sold your product? Do you have someone offering you money for it today? Is it a product or a process? Large companies are managing this process internally, so I don't understand what you're doing for them. Are you managing the ITIL process with software?

Your elevator pitch should be something that your grandma can understand because you're often pitching to non-technical people.

Lisa

April 20, 2006 9:56 AM

Hi Robert,

Frank, to paraphase all you said, does it not simply boil down to this?[indent]Our company, TransverseIT, has solved a key business problem by creating a platform called "KnowIT" which offers useful business-related services that enables organizations to better manage IT operations by (explain how ...).
[/indent]


I understand trying to narrow it down to such a small statement. My natural inclination (trained as an engineer who eventually became an IT manager), is to be detailed. I guess what we're really talking about, here, is a "lead-in" statement and I do understand the need for this, as a cold call gets you only a few seconds to get the prospect's attention to the point where he/she will allow for a few more minutes on the call.

The more you say, the less people hear. The Yahoo and Google analogy loses me. Keep it short.


This is interesting to me because it's the same analogy that seems to get everyone that I speak with, directly, interested in what we're offering. I'm wondering if I'm missing something or mixing other things up. It's possible that by the time these people are willing to listen to more details, I've already gotten past the elevator pitch introduction (or maybe because they've already made the commitment to speak with me they don't need the elevator pitch). I'm going to have to explore this more.

I like the way Harry Beckwith describes his approach in his book: Selling the Invisible.[indent]Who: Who are you?
What: What business are you in?
For whow: What people do you serve?
Against whom: With whom are you competing?
What's different? What makes you different from those competitors?
So: What's the benefit?
[/indent]With IT products, I would also add HOW to the equation and perhaps skip on the who are you competing with angle.
If you can tailor your message to the CIO so it is short and sweet as above, I think you will be a step further.


OK, I'll try it. I'll also put the book on my list. BTW, I think Moore covers the same breakdown in Crossing the Chasm. I belive the order may be different, though.

Anyways, based on what you are saying, I now see that it is IT who you sell to. Lead with a "business" value proposition (saving the Manager of IT Operations time and money) and expect to be evaluated based on technical factors. That's my take on it.


This sounds right. My instinct was leading me in this direction, too, but I was looking for objective views on the issue, as I'm relatively new to all of this.

Thanks again. I will take a stab at the details and go from there.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 20, 2006 12:18 PM

Hi Lisa,

It's an interesting idea Frank. I'm familiar with the operations at a Fortune 50 US Company and the IT people actually don't make the rollout decisions, the business people work with the IT people to define requirements.

This is why I was starting to second guess myself and wondering whether or not I should go after Business Leaders and staff, rather than IT.

Have you sold your product? Do you have someone offering you money for it today?

We have a few pilots that look like they will turn into sales, shortly, and some very warm and qualified leads in a number of companies that seem to be very aggressive about getting us in front of the right people in their companies. In all cases, these prospects contacted us, directly, for assistance after reading our web site. They all seem to get and suffer from the same business problem. I translate this to be very positive. This week is the first that we're proactively starting to contact prospects, ourselves. The "getting in the door" ratio, after initial contact seems to be very high. My concern is keeping up with all of it. I may have to move directly to contacting only CxO level prospects to manage the work. We're also presenting at a large state-based Expo, next week.

Is it a product or a process? Large companies are managing this process internally, so I don't understand what you're doing for them. Are you managing the ITIL process with software?

It is a large "product" made up of many smaller products, offered through a SaaS model as a "platform" of solutions.

In order for companies to role out ITIL, they are going to deploy processes and tools to support the processes. ITIL is a large list of "best practices" for these processes. The common problems that companies experience, when implementing ITIL in their organization, are that they:

[INDENT]
1) Implement each process sequentially, which means it takes years and millions of dollars to get to where they need to go;
2) They re-invent the wheel. Each company trains their employees on ITIL or brings in ITIL consultants to start from scratch, rather than working with other companies who are trying to implement the exact same processes.
3) Since they're re-inventing the wheel, they "customize" each tool they purchase to meet "their wheel", not understanding that there really is no benefit to doing so. Other's wheels are just as good.
4) Since they implement each process sequentially and customize each tool to meet the needs of their own wheel, they pick tools for each process, not thinking ahead to integration issues they will encounter when it's time to tie their data together. This will lead to very expensive and unnecessary integration development.
[/INDENT]

What we do to address ITIL, is twofold:
[INDENT]
1) We provide an out of the box suite of tools, for each process area, that are already "pre-integrated" and require no customization. (This eliminates the years of slow and expensive implementation and the fortune in integration costs. By logging into the system, they instantly have fully functional and integrated solutions for Incident Mgmt, Problem Mgmt, Change, etc., the moment they log in.)
2) We can, if they choose, help them with their process implementations around the platform and the individual process solutions. By selecting this option they are ensured to be getting the same types of process solutions that anyone else using the platform will be leveraging.
3) We offer a number of training classes, addressing IT Operations as a whole, individual IT Operational processes (including ITIL), Platform use, etc.
[/INDENT]

I know that Robert doesn't feel comfortable with the "IT-in-a-Box" or "IT-On-Demand" concept but I do find that it's "clicking" with people I present the platform to. The value proposition is that we have well over 30 combined Operational Process solutions and Technology Solutions in the platform that are all very functional, very elaborate, and pre-integrated. (This will be over 50 by end of year.) Because all the data is in one place and pre-integrated, the platform can do things that most companies will never achieve. It's too expensive and time consuming for them to get there. It's also not their core business and they, therefore, don't have the fundamental expertise to do so.

Many companies are outsourcing developement and support to other countries to save money. Time of delivery and cultural barriers are still issues. The next step in the value chain is to eliminate the time associated with delivery, while raising the total quality and functionality of the products, services, and experiences. We believe we do this by allowing people to turn on "IT" with a switch, so to speak. They can now outsource a very large part of IT Operations, which has nothing to do with their core or proprietary business, to a US company, where the savings come from economies of scale.

Thanks for everything. I appreciate your help.

All of you have been great and I hope I can add value to all of your experiences, one day.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 20, 2006 4:51 PM

Sorry for a long period of inactivity, great to be back!!! :cool:

I hope the following is somewhat useful.

IT people love to sell enabling platforms that can be "easily" customized to solve any problem the customer may have. Business customers are in many cases looking for a specific solution tailored to what they need. Until you find that need and tell them specifically that your solution is aimed to solve it you will have a hard time selling (paying <> being interested in a cool technology).

I would clearly define one need / pain your solution answers brilliantly and get the initial penetration by selling a local solution to a local pain (not hard to do if you can demonstrate ROI and have a pilot system running early in the process). After you have some followers in the organization who like what you do, look for places to expand. I would not try to sell them a new way to run their >$100M business because this is not their pain.

Many customers will buy because they found ONE feature that is really useful for them. Don't try to force the Platform concept on them. The more complicated they think your solution is the more dangerous it is to the decision maker. They want it simple, easy and cheap. I always hear technical people trying to sell POWERFUL systems but rarely do I hear customers looking for POWER. They often want simple, easy and targeted to an exact pain.

Power means complicated and dangerous.

I would also not tell them that the same system can do everything. It is much better to say that you have a simple solution that connects many useful components in a way that will save them time and money dealing with complicated enabling platforms that need to be programmed (=bugs * time * money * misunderstandings * blame) for them.

If you sell the C-level manager, make sure you are there when you already know where it hurts and aim to get a pilot running that will produce something useful even if it is just one report to be sent to management every week...

If you will talk about complex platforms you will be directed to someone very technical, with a lot of time and no budget.

Roy Daya, CEO
www.digital-clay.com

DigitalClay is a smart application engine for building dynamic software solutions without coding.

http://roydaya.com

April 21, 2006 12:55 AM


I know that Robert doesn't feel comfortable with the "IT-in-a-Box" or "IT-On-Demand" concept but I do find that it's "clicking" with people I present the platform to.

While the term has a ring to it ... I don't really know what the term really means.

I'm sure you can explain it to me, but I think its a phrase that can be easily mis-interpreted to mean anything. A developer is likely to think its a development tool, a network administrator ...

Remember when the term "client-server" first appeared in the IT vocabulary. People were using it to describe all kinds of strange things.

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Robert Dubicki

April 21, 2006 1:13 AM

I just want to make the comment that the majority of large companies have an ITIL type process in place. The reason is that the implementation of any product in an organization affects budgets in different places so large companies have to allocate the staff, the computers, etc. for any business software implementation. Today, it is ITIL, tomorrow it will change and they will reinvent the wheel or the employees find themselves documenting processes with the same ProcessDuJour that they used two years prior.

If you can automate an ITIL type process then I think you're on to something really great (I've seen some pretty interesting and confounding spreadsheets). I can tell you from my side (I'm very close to this) there are lots of people that love rolling out a new process method and looking important. There is a lot of political momentum behind what most of the employees see as process BS that will be the same but called something different tomorrow.

Lisa

April 21, 2006 11:15 AM

Hello Robert,

I hope all is well. Thanks for all your help, lately. Talking through all of this has been helping us in a huge way and I really appreciate it.

While the term has a ring to it ... I don't really know what the term really means.

I'm sure you can explain it to me, but I think its a phrase that can be easily mis-interpreted to mean anything.


I agree with you that it can be misinterpreted. I remember sitting through IBM strategy sessions where Steve Mills was talking about "On-Demand" IT, a number of years ago. (On a tangent, he's a very brilliant man who has an amazing knack for how everything IT ties together.) Anyhow, his vision was that since IBM has this huge suite of products that they'd be able to offer it as a combined offering that will help "ramp up" any shop that needs those offerings. What later became the WebSphere platform, that included an App Server, Portal, Development Platform, Messaging & Middleware, etc., is a step toward a vision of "buy-one-get-many".

Years before I met him, I realized that one of the huge flaws in IT was that once you have IT staff, in-house, they will eventually want to build things that have nothing to do with your core business but for which they believe will make their lives easier to help run your business. A simple example of this is a "Project Management Reporting Dashboard". I'm sure you realize how many companies have gone off and done this. However, building such solutions has nothing to do with Walmart's core business, or Ford's, or Verizon's, etc. What's worse, as companies start to grow they will want to tie many systems together, to share data.

So, if you break down IT for most companies, you'll find that there are two types:
[INDENT]1) REVENUE ENABLERS: IT that you use to enable your revenues (Ex: Walmart designs, implements, and maintains its own massive supply and distribution infrastructure that ties its world wide distributors to it's company and it's clients), and

2) BUSINESS ENABLERS: IT that enables your business but which has nothing to do with your core revenue generation (Ex: Project Management Systems, Incident Management Systems, etc. etc.).
[/INDENT]
We (TraverseIT) call the latter "back-office-IT" or "IT Operations". If you've ever been in a large company in a down market, you realize that the company will focus hard on driving up revenues (#1) and work hard to squeeze back office operations (#2), as much as possible, in an attempt to maximize their margins.

For #1, IT is "specific" and no one knows it better than the company that specializes in it. There are typically a small handful of key systems that they use to facilitate revenue.

For #2, IT is "generic" and companies that don't specialize in it will always implement incomplete and deficient solutions. There are many systems that they are not experts in but which they rely on for success. No company specializing in insurance, or law, or ship building, wants to worry about how to tie its Incident Mgmt system, to its Change Mgmt system to its Project Mgmt system, or provision a Portal, or Intranet, or CMDB, etc. It's not what generates their revenue. However, the number of systems and solutions in the "operational" space of IT is huge and growing companies have no choice but to rely on such solutions.

So, anyhow, after speaking with Mr. Mills of IBM, I was so excited that I decided that I needed to take my vision and make it reality. The net result is that we take as many of these IT Operations systems (#2) as we can, tie them together in a very seamless way that makes it all look like a very simple to use single system and offer it up through a web browser account. Hence, "IT-in-a-Box" or "IT On-Demand". We partner with companies to be their back-office IT providers. The finance industry has been outsourcing its back office operations for years. Any company can outsource its benefits and HR. You've been able to outsource your accounting and legal. We're now introducing the concept of outsourcing your back office IT. Pay for a browser account and have everything you need at fraction of the cost and... On-Demand. No more years of roll out. No more having on-staff experts for things that have nothing to do with your business. No more infrastructure costs for systems that have nothing to do with your core business. Just a browser with a monthly bill, like your TV cable account or your cell phone. IT On-Demand.

I know it was long but I hope it helps clarify.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 21, 2006 11:46 AM

KnowIT = Helps organizations better manage their IT Operations.

KnowIT = Revolutionizing how IT Operations are managed!

KnowIT = Manage IT Operations faster, cheaper and better!

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Am I on the right track?

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Robert Dubicki

April 21, 2006 11:47 AM

Hi Lisa,

You're on target, here. Let me add color to your statements...

I just want to make the comment that the majority of large companies have an ITIL type process in place.


The truth is that most companies implement ITIL one process at a time, over a period of multiple years. And even after doing so, they never get to the "whole product solution" that is preached by ITIL as theory. The reality is that after years of investing valuable time, money, resources, and energy in this area, very large companies still have very incomplete, very limited, very fragmented, and very expensive solutions that don't meet their higher needs.

If you can automate an ITIL type process then I think you're on to something really great (I've seen some pretty interesting and confounding spreadsheets).


What we've automated, here, is that you can connect through browser and have a huge percentage of your ITIL specific tool suite fully functional and pre-integrated, On-Demand. No more multi-year roll outs, only to have incomplete solutions.

Have fun.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 21, 2006 11:55 AM

The ITIL process that I observe is more along the lines of getting their arms around all of the tools that have been brought in without process, rather than getting tools approved for process. That part seems to be clearly in place and enforcement is the issue. As with anything, getting 100,000 + employees to get approval when they need something now is hard to enforce.

I do have a question about what you're doing, but it's just for my curiousity sake. Are you saying that you've integrated all of the tools that an enterprise might need? Did you create them or are you just bringing the tools that already exist together?

For example, if you're bringing together existing tools then how are you making decisions about which tool is best? My basic example, because this is one particular tool that I'm familiar with, is InstallShield vs. Wise Installer. Do you have one of them integrated or did you make your own? I'm really trying to understand what you're doing. I know it's huge, whatever it is ;).

Thanks,

Lisa

April 21, 2006 1:29 PM

Hi,

KnowIT = Helps organizations better manage their IT Operations.

KnowIT = Revolutionizing how IT Operations are managed!

KnowIT = Manage IT Operations faster, cheaper and better!

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Am I on the right track?


Yes, I think this is on the right track. But there's a significant piece of the puzzle that I'm still personally struggling to represent.

How do you represent the power and functionality of 30 elaborate systems all rolled into one? How do you represent that, since the data is all in one place and because there's a common framework behind all of it, 30 will be close to 50 by the end of the year? How do you get them interested in the bigger picture and not the 1 of 30? How do you get them to realize that we can ramp them up to very elaborate, yet simple, solutions at a pace that they can't even imagine? How do you get them to understand the impact of a new way of doing things?

There's a radical shift in business model and how enterprises operate, here. One that Roy Daya (in a previous post) recommends I stay away from. It's one that represents huge opportunity, both for TraverseIT and our clients, if I can find the right way to represent the "big pain point" that only a CIO/COO/CTO can understand, but which they have not come to terms with, yet.

What's the one line statement that summarizes all of this? "KnowIT = ???"

This is what's keeping me awake at night.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 21, 2006 2:46 PM

I do have a question about what you're doing, but it's just for my curiousity sake. Are you saying that you've integrated all of the tools that an enterprise might need? Did you create them or are you just bringing the tools that already exist together?


Hi Lisa,

It's a combination of both. In some cases, we found it was actually better to build from scratch. In other cases, we simply take things that exist and leverage them by integrating them in. For example, in the case of a Problem Management solution, we built it from scratch. In the case of a Crawler for index-based searching, we leveraged an existing one.

In your example, you list Wise vs. Installshield. They fit into the IT Operations area of "Deployment/Distribution Management". If you've browsed our web site, you'll notice we don't publish a solution in this space, yet. It is, however, on our roadmap and a solution is in the alpha stages, since all of IT Operations is in scope. But to use your example, what should you care which one we use behind the scenes if it's a managed service that absolutely meets your needs? You would be using the "TraverseIT Installer", which would act as an abstraction around some other solution, regardless of whether it was built or integrated. Either way, since it's abstracted, you shouldn't care.

Now don't get me wrong. I do understand that not all solutions fit into such a statement, this easily. However, most Operational solutions do. For example, should you really care which Project Management system you use if it meets all your needs? In this day and age, they all pretty much do the same things. You're not going to gain a competitive business edge by picking one over another. You "might" gain a minor operational edge by picking one over the other but this won't add up to something worth dancing over. The requirement that is certain is that when you're company grows to a certain size, scaling will require you to perform Project Management and will, therefore, require you to find a tool that performs the related Operational functions in, at least, an adequate manner.

I hope I answers your question. Thanks, again, for all your help.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 21, 2006 3:24 PM

I went back to look through the list of offerings on your web site. I do care what products are being used for various features because I've done extensive review of the features available and made decisions on what products to use based on my research. I looked at the list of things that you're offering and I could see where it would be good for the first time business just starting out.

I have a small business and I have all of the features that you have links to covered in my business already. I would not give up the features I have and so if your solution was using one of the apps that doesn't have all of the features I have and need, it would be a dealbreaker for me. For example, for your CRM/SFA and Knowledge Base, are you interfacing to Salesforce.com? If not, I wouldn't even go any further. I have everything there and it works great for us.

You will have to be the Best in Breed for every single part of the application to beat out the embedded products in a company. You will have to have an extensive process by which you support change within an organization and if you don't have a feature that users need, you'll have some heavy development work ahead of you to make sure that you can add it fast. If you didn't create the backend product, you will have to have some heavy clout with the company that did create it.

I understand where you're going and it will be interesting to see how it turns out.

I think you might do better marketing your solution as an all-in-one business management tool, rather than GoogleÂ? for business. There is one major business management tool that is missing from your list -- financial/accounting management.

Lisa

April 21, 2006 6:08 PM

Hi Lisa,

I went back to look through the list of offerings on your web site. I do care what products are being used for various features because I've done extensive review of the features available and made decisions on what products to use based on my research.


Please understand that there will always be instances where detailed features do matter and dictate the decision. But there will be others where value drives a decision.

You were just in the market for an installer and a CRM system and could afford both. But what if you were in the market for 15 different systems but could only afford 5? Or even better, let's say that being the business savvy person that I'm sure you are, you're in the market for 15 and can afford 15 but can get 30, including the 15 you need, for the price of 2. Do you take them?

Given a case like this, I can step in and offer you 30 for the price of 2 - 5 and put you in a position to not worry about growth for a very long time, not to mention that the 30 will grow to 40, and then 50, and then 60 and you're price won't change. For every 1 service you buy and implement in your environment, I'll build in and/or integrate 5-10 in my platform and not change the price. Now what? I'm sure your decision process will be impacted by such options.

I have a small business and I have all of the features that you have links to covered in my business already.


Maybe you weren't looking at the right list(s). If you look at these two links you'll find a total of over 30 individual enterprise class solutions:
[INDENT]
IT Operations Features: http://TraverseIT.com/it_ops.html
Technology Platform Features: http://TraverseIT.com/solutions.html
[/INDENT]

If you own an answer to each of the items on the list, where the answers go beyond MS Excel and Word, it's a VERY expensive list to own. Remember, for each one it's not only the cost to purchase. If you're medium to large-scale, you also have to throw in dedicated hardware, people, datacenter lease space, racks, airconditioning, power, license renewals, training, and much, much more. You may not need these things for your small company but as you grow you will be forced to do this.

I would not give up the features I have and so if your solution was using one of the apps that doesn't have all of the features I have and need, it would be a dealbreaker for me. For example, for your CRM/SFA and Knowledge Base, are you interfacing to Salesforce.com? If not, I wouldn't even go any further. I have everything there and it works great for us.

You will have to be the Best in Breed for every single part of the application to beat out the embedded products in a company. You will have to have an extensive process by which you support change within an organization and if you don't have a feature that users need, you'll have some heavy development work ahead of you to make sure that you can add it fast. If you didn't create the backend product, you will have to have some heavy clout with the company that did create it.


I do understand your position and respect it. Not everyone's needs are the same and only you can define your "detailed" immediate needs. We wouldn't force you to use all of our embedded services if you didn't want to. In other words, just because you purchase us and we have 30+ solutions doesn't require you to use all of them. Doing so would be inflexible and that's not a position I want to be in.

As for your statement about development needs to enhance the product, I totally understand and agree. We know our position and can add/modify anything we have to. What we've integrated is all based on open source that my staff actually contribute to, in many cases. We have no vendor based embedded solutions. The rest is all built by us. In either case, we have the ability to modify and enhance.

I understand where you're going and it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
...
There is one major business management tool that is missing from your list -- financial/accounting management.


We're betting a lot that it will turn out to be successful. Let's hope we're right!

Financial Management is further out on our roadmap but it's there. We're building the house one brick at a time. Remember, no one has a complete solution. And, to our knowledge, no one has ever taken our approach so its new ground. Until we get to something like FM, a solution like SAP's can help with this in the mean time. Who knows if we'll even get that far. I can only worry about the pieces we've chosen to build/integrate in, one brick at a time.

Anyhow, this was fun. Thanks again for all your help.

Regards,

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

April 21, 2006 10:03 PM



Yes, I think this is on the right track. But there's a significant piece of the puzzle that I'm still personally struggling to represent.

How do you represent the power and functionality of 30 elaborate systems all rolled into one?

What's the one line statement that summarizes all of this? "KnowIT = ???"

This is what's keeping me awake at night.

[url="http://www.TraverseIT.com"][/url]


You know ... The one I like best is: Revolutionizing how IT Operations are managed!

Why? Its open-ended and makes some people raise their eyebrow and ask: How?

This gives you the opportunity reply:
By providing the power and functionality of 30 elaborate operationsal systems all rolled into one, with data is all in one place through a common framework.

Take it from there. At least that can be the starting point in your conversation with an IT Ops Manager or Director. You should pique their interest.

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Robert Dubicki

April 22, 2006 9:57 PM

Hi Robert,

OK, this sounds like a start. I'll try it and start here.

Thanks again for all your help.

Frank Guerino
Chairman & CEO
TraverseIT, LLC
Frank.Guerino@TraverseIT.com
http://www.TraverseIT.com

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